Friday Fun

Just for fun, I’m going to throw out a couple of questions here. It is not likely we will agree in our conclusions, so that’s not really the point.  However, considering these questions does reveal underlying beliefs and assumptions.

  • With or without a conversion experience, is it more tragic to live not knowing God or to die not knowing Him?
  • Will you have an opportunity to know the Father after death, or does that offer expire when you die?

If you enjoy discussing these things, feel free to share your thoughts.

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21 thoughts on “Friday Fun

        1. I think that “time”, or the absence of it, is part of the post death discussion. I agree with you about the brain crashing thing. It is one of the reasons that I think it is okay to say “who knows” what will happen after we die. A lot of things in life are simply a mystery.. even when some dogmatically think otherwise ;)

        2. I do believe that the eternal dimension already exists in this reality in more ways than we are aware of or really understand. In a sense, what will be already is.

  1. I think that question can only be objectively answered by God Himself. And I believe He DID answer it in Genesis 3:22 and John 17:3. Knowing God IS what true life is all about. The worst case scenario is an eternal biological existence in the state of spiritual death and corruption where we believe nothing but lies about God and about ourselves and in this way maximize human suffering. God protected us from that possibility in the story by blocking access to the tree of life while still being in the state of being held captive by lies and self-created inner separation.

    Does biological death hold the power over the ability to know God or not? I don’t see how this could be possible. We also have to be very clear first on what a “conversion experience” is. In my present understanding it is the ability to see what’s been true along, not an alteration of actual reality. So the deeper question is: is it possible that certain choices we make in this life could have the effect of blinding us to truth permanently, not just here but also in the after-life? Maybe God leaves that question open (although He knows the answer) in order not to affect our choice in this life negatively. Maybe He wants to avoid unnecessary added heartache and suffering from self-chosen death as a likely consequence from a sinful mindset that misuses the information of unlimited chances (because of unlimited grace) to prolong our ignorance rather than embracing life and freedom now. But the latter is just an educated guess. I’d like to believe that if all things are possible for God, the possibility of an inner enlightenment and our agreement with it never expires.

    1. Great thoughts Josh. If we define eternal life as knowing God, we move it out of the realm of time and into the realm of relationship. I agree that removing Adam and Eve from the Garden was an act of salvation rather than punishment, preserving mankind until restoration would occur.

      I considered leaving off the phrase about a conversion experience, but one’s definition of what a conversion experience accomplishes likely determines one’s response to the second part of that question. I agree that conversion is about realizing what is already true.

      I don’t know if we can become permanently blinded to the truth, but I see much of Jesus’ teaching as encouragement to experience the love of God now and warning about choices that hinder our ability to know Him.

  2. I believe that all will be resurrected and see Yeshua face to face and will have a choice at that time, to follow Him or not. Surprisingly, i see many choosing not too.

    /maybe

    1. ia,
      I think we do have a choice, but I have trouble understanding how anyone could come face to face with the love of God and not accept His love.

      1. It probably would not be a real choice if faith was not involved in some way. It would merely be choosing a the best choice for selfish me. I mean really, who would not selfishly choose heaven? The message would not be to much different than the turn or burn messages that most of us dislike. Fortunately God is omniscient and knows the decisions of our hearts and is not too impressed with the decisions of our heads.

  3. in a rush and running out the door to a party & definitely no time to answer those deep questions, ha ha, but i’ll just be shallow and say that the comic is so perfect, can i use it? lmk. sometimes when i write i’m waiting for the lightning bolt, ha ha. grace & peace to you from colorado, kathy

      1. Kathy, I think all the necessary credits are in the image itself. Looks like it was a hit on fb. :)

        Bob, the cartoon looks great on your sidebar.

  4. is there a “second death”? if so, i would think that event more tragic than whatever the quality of this life is before that inevitable first death. and then will there be a divine caste system in heaven or the new earth? the firstfruits those that rule over the hold-outs that need to come to their senses when their backsides get too toasty near that lake of fire?

      1. “Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!'” ~Jesus

        The Truth is God can make a distinction on who He knows & who knows Him. And He can just as easily make this existence hinge on the next. To be honest, I do like the concept of a Purgatory, but then such a transition step seems appropriate for the most righteous saint. Maybe scripture hints at this step for all people & its duration and/or intensity directly proportional to our behavior in this life. Anyway, good fodder for further rumination…

  5. As if it depended upon us or our experience.

    With or without a conversion experience, is it more tragic to live not knowing God or to die not knowing Him?

    As I understand the purpose of grace, it is all up to Him. As I read the book, every knee will bow and every tongue will confess…and we will all know Him…Heb 8…‘Know the Lord,’ because they will all know me, from the least of them to the greatest. For I will forgive their wickedness and will remember their sins no more.”

    Will you have an opportunity to know the Father after death, or does that offer expire when you die?

    My first response is how the heck do I know? eternity is either a long time or a perpetual moment. But since the writer of the Psalms put the word “all” in front of it, I imagine it as a long moment in time…Psa. 93:2 Your throne was established long ago; you are from all eternity.

    And since He the beginning and the end who made the redemption happen on His own initiative I let Him decide.

    Good questions.

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