Comments on: Apostolic Bullshit III

By: Ricardo Butler

Ricardo Butler — Fri, 16 Oct 2009 16:35:51 +0000

I myself am now a Territorial apostles over Hip Hop ministries in Orlando. I felt the call in 2007. Didn’t believe apostles even existed. So I said God prove me wrong. It proved it. I sought out the training from several sites. A MAJORITY of them were false because a lot of what they taught just contradicted the Word. I found one site (Apostle Movement International) who was really close. So I listened TO GOD when He spoke their. They had error of course like ALL ministries even the Original Twelve and Paul would admit their errors (and they do in many places in the Scriptures). Jesus is the Apostle of our faith so I look at it like this: Even the closest modern apostle to Jesus cannot be above the Master but they can get pretty close. So just try them all and see who comes the closest to the truth with the least errors. And search out the ones who are teachable and willing to admit their error and be corrected like Apollos was by Priscilla and Aquila. I went to one school and told them almost 50% of their stuff was contradicting the word and they gave me the “Who are you to question the Living Apostle’ speech. Then they called judgment upon my life and kicked me out of school. LOL!

I learn as an apostle how to be and not to be towards other Christians as my number one apostle lesson.

By: Mimosa

Mimosa — Sat, 04 Apr 2009 12:12:47 +0000

Vertical and horizontal apostles…eh!!! Love the title. Tell it like it is!! =)

By: grace

grace — Wed, 11 Mar 2009 13:39:53 +0000

Diagonal Apostle,
Thanks for stopping by.
Please give my regards to Planet Wagner.

By: diagonal apostle

diagonal apostle — Wed, 11 Mar 2009 06:02:38 +0000

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By: wade

wade — Mon, 09 Mar 2009 07:08:38 +0000

Lord forgive them, for they do know what they are doing. This spiriual abuse grieves me more and more everytime I here these people talk as though they were God’s own mouth.

It is amazing to me that the average guy in their eyes, can not possibly, know the things of God, much less talk to Him.

Sounds like religiousity 101, They have been looking for a revival so long that they have missed he one going on under their noses, the last 2000 years.

False prophets, these people believe it is all about them, and what they lead the church to work themselves up to do. The ” remnant” is doing all they can to help God make decisions, but the rest of us christians have definitely let God down.

I just thank God that His Plan is moving forward, despite these people and that we can trust Him. That gives me great peace in which God’s word promises his children. I don’t see many christians with peace, especially those listening to these self appointed apostoles.

By: Gogo

Gogo — Fri, 20 Feb 2009 19:16:03 +0000

Couldn’t have said it any better…

Maybe without the Bull__t but even that might be the exact appropriate thing.

By: Troy C.

Troy C. — Thu, 22 Jan 2009 20:30:47 +0000

An excellent book addressing this issue and issues related is “Accountability, Authority, and The Apostolic Movement” by Steve Crosby. Now what makes this book excellent is not that it exposes errors in the church–that is not it at all. Instead, this book captures the heart of Christ for the church in relation to leadership, accountability and authority. Moreover, Crosby writes this book as a member of the Pentecostal/Charismatic heritage. In other words, he is not merely a critic. The back reads as follows:

There is a new apostolic movement afoot, and it is leading many from the simplicity of the pure gospel. To be legitimate, the teaching emphasis and ministry expression of present-day apostles and prophets must reflect a correct gospel foundation: the person and work of Christ as its focus, spiritual death and resurrection as its method, and the indwelling Spirit as its power.

Instead, the new apostolic reformation movement, with its emphasis on apostolic authority, “spiritual covering,” loyalty, honor, submission, and government, has become the vehicle to build the philosophies and kingdoms of men.

Dr. Stephen Crosby’s third book, Authority, Accountability, and the Apostolic Movement, probes these and other authority/submission issues from a biblically disciplined, Christ-centered, New Covenant perspective. Within these pages, every believer, church leader, apostle, or prophet who may have wandered from the simplicity of the gospel can find the road to recovery.

http://www.stevecrosby.com/

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By: Peggy

Peggy — Wed, 20 Aug 2008 16:17:37 +0000

Ubranmonk…just in case you’re interested, the reference is Matthew 21:44.

By: Tom (aka Volkmar)

Tom (aka Volkmar) — Wed, 20 Aug 2008 13:47:05 +0000

Wilsonian,

I hadn’t heard about it either until I moved out of the Cessationist corral. But, my coming of age was just when Wagner et. al. were getting reved up. In the 70’s the Churches of Christ had nearly thrown out the Spirit along with the charismatics because (in part) of all the tom-foolerly baloney.

Alison and I have dealt with this issue (Apost. BS) with more than a few of our friends. A significant number of folks from our -2CLB migrated into two “Apostolic Networks” with “proper covering”. ;o/

Tom