Comments on: Apostolic Bullshit

By: Kingdom Leadership After Lakeland Part 2-Considering Various Sources … « futuristguy

Tue, 23 Sep 2008 07:54:07 +0000

[...] 14 – Kingdom Grace. Apostolic Bullshit. Details the before-and-after discrepancies and distancings by C. Peter Wagner, using direct quotes [...]

By: Reinterpreting the Lakeland Fallout : Subversive Influence

Reinterpreting the Lakeland Fallout : Subversive Influence — Thu, 28 Aug 2008 05:40:50 +0000

[...] after speaking so positively of him just short weeks earlier. The contrast is quite remarkable, as Grace outlines it very well, setting the quotations in juxtaposition to one another. When you read through it, the section [...]

By: Ravine of Light » A Theory Of Everything

Ravine of Light » A Theory Of Everything — Mon, 25 Aug 2008 12:31:32 +0000

[...] opinions about it in various places. I (of course) have been following Kingdom Grace (start with Apostolic Bullshit and then read parts II and III), Brother Maynard, Bill Kinnon and iMonk (among others). In a post [...]

By: Ways of Resistance | Lord, Have Mercy! (life without the charismatic celebrity)

Wed, 20 Aug 2008 06:23:41 +0000

[...] thought you might be interested to read about the latest shenanigans taking place among our favorite charismatic “soap opera” [...]

By: Christian Cursing « Thoughts on what I am reading…

Christian Cursing « Thoughts on what I am reading… — Mon, 18 Aug 2008 13:07:10 +0000

[...] And sometimes it’s not so [...]

By: All hyped up things come to an end : Beyond the 4 walls

All hyped up things come to an end : Beyond the 4 walls — Mon, 18 Aug 2008 10:35:36 +0000

[...] for Christianity, for God. There have obviously been lots of lies as Brother Maynard and Grace have highlighted. No doubt the “apostles” will all jump ship and quickly remove [...]

By: brad

brad — Sun, 17 Aug 2008 21:14:39 +0000

Hmm. While I hope what Barbara suggests does not happen, it makes absolution sense in a utterly twisted way. And, umm, pardon me to those claiming the authority of apostleship for raising this biblical concept, but shouldn’t discernment tests put the heart BEFORE the coarse? Wherever in Scripture could we derive the concept of laying hands on anyone in order to see what’s there, instead of only AFTER we’ve seen that things are in order already?

By: Barbara

Barbara — Sun, 17 Aug 2008 02:37:17 +0000

Grace, mark my words here. The apostolic movement will soon be saying that it is BECAUSE of them putting Bentley under authority that this surfaced so quickly. They will then point to the “facts” that they are the hero’s in this whole thing and that apostolic authority brings things that need to be corrected to light. Their “fatherhood” not only allowed it to be exposed but will then come in and lovingly restore the fallen one. They will spin this whole thing for their advancement. The crazy thing is that people will believe the whole thing and swallow it whole.

No one will remember that Wagner tried so hard to distance himself from the whole ceremony and it will actually come out of his mouth that it was his “covering” that brought this all about.

I have heard so much “spin” in my time in the camp that I could almost write the script for them.

By: volkmar1108

volkmar1108 — Sun, 17 Aug 2008 00:50:11 +0000

Joseph,

Well said. Thanks.

“Damage control” indeed.

Tom

By: In the Coracle » » Christ in [fill-in-the-blank] is the Hope of Glory (on Todd Bentley) » “It’s almost like you’re writing a book one post at a time” - Kedge

Sat, 16 Aug 2008 17:57:25 +0000

[...] Apostolic Bulls*** – Grace takes a look at the leadership structures in place within Bentley’s community, and in particular at the interaction with those who are in the self-described apostolic circle, quoting from Peter Wagner on his interaction with Todd. While I wish that this post was written with more charity for those involved, the discussion of leadership and apostolic authority is very helpful. [...]